#161133: "Didn't agree about dead stones, resumed play, then game didn't count dead stones."
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• Please copy/paste the error message you see on your screen, if any.
Table #642822106
Have the game count the dead stones to give the proper score to both players. -
• Please explains what you wanted to do, what you do and what happened
My opponent and I didn't agree about the marking of dead stones, so we resumed play. My opponent selected "No" to the question, "Do you want to have a stage of designate dead stones after next series of passes?" He was losing, and by selecting "no", he almost won the game, as the game didn't mark the dead stones, and didn't give my the resulting 36 points I should have received.
I only won because I was far enough ahead in points. However, Go is usually so close in score that every point makes a huge difference. This prevents people from playing by the rules. • What is your browser?
Firefox v133.0.3
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• Please copy/paste the text displayed in English instead of your language. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
Table #642822106
Have the game count the dead stones to give the proper score to both players. -
• Is this text available in the translation system? If yes, has it been translated for more than 24 hours?
My opponent and I didn't agree about the marking of dead stones, so we resumed play. My opponent selected "No" to the question, "Do you want to have a stage of designate dead stones after next series of passes?" He was losing, and by selecting "no", he almost won the game, as the game didn't mark the dead stones, and didn't give my the resulting 36 points I should have received.
I only won because I was far enough ahead in points. However, Go is usually so close in score that every point makes a huge difference. This prevents people from playing by the rules. • What is your browser?
Firefox v133.0.3
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• Please explain your suggestion precisely and concisely so that it's as easy as possible to understand what you mean.
Table #642822106
Have the game count the dead stones to give the proper score to both players. • What is your browser?
Firefox v133.0.3
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• What was displayed on the screen when you were blocked (Blank screen? Part of the game interface? Error message?)
Table #642822106
Have the game count the dead stones to give the proper score to both players. • What is your browser?
Firefox v133.0.3
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• Which part of the rules was not respected by the BGA adaptation
Table #642822106
Have the game count the dead stones to give the proper score to both players. -
• Is the rules violation visible on game replay? If yes, at which move number?
My opponent and I didn't agree about the marking of dead stones, so we resumed play. My opponent selected "No" to the question, "Do you want to have a stage of designate dead stones after next series of passes?" He was losing, and by selecting "no", he almost won the game, as the game didn't mark the dead stones, and didn't give my the resulting 36 points I should have received.
I only won because I was far enough ahead in points. However, Go is usually so close in score that every point makes a huge difference. This prevents people from playing by the rules. • What is your browser?
Firefox v133.0.3
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• Which was the game action you wanted to do?
Table #642822106
Have the game count the dead stones to give the proper score to both players. -
• What do you try to do to trigger this game action?
My opponent and I didn't agree about the marking of dead stones, so we resumed play. My opponent selected "No" to the question, "Do you want to have a stage of designate dead stones after next series of passes?" He was losing, and by selecting "no", he almost won the game, as the game didn't mark the dead stones, and didn't give my the resulting 36 points I should have received.
I only won because I was far enough ahead in points. However, Go is usually so close in score that every point makes a huge difference. This prevents people from playing by the rules. -
• What happened when you try to do this (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
No errors, the game simply ended without allowing use to mark the dead stones. The game didn't identify the dead stones correctly, and didn't even ask if we agreed with the counting result. As several stones were not marked as dead, I lost the stones and the territory they were in.
In my recent table, #642822106, my opponent selected "No" to the question, "Do you want to have a stage of designate dead stones after next series of passes?", which almost cost me the game. This violates the rules of the game. • What is your browser?
Firefox v133.0.3
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• At which step of the game did the problem occurs (what was the current game instruction)?
Table #642822106
Have the game count the dead stones to give the proper score to both players. -
• What happened when you try to do a game action (error message, game status bar message, ...)?
My opponent and I didn't agree about the marking of dead stones, so we resumed play. My opponent selected "No" to the question, "Do you want to have a stage of designate dead stones after next series of passes?" He was losing, and by selecting "no", he almost won the game, as the game didn't mark the dead stones, and didn't give my the resulting 36 points I should have received.
I only won because I was far enough ahead in points. However, Go is usually so close in score that every point makes a huge difference. This prevents people from playing by the rules. • What is your browser?
Firefox v133.0.3
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• Please describe the display issue. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
Table #642822106
Have the game count the dead stones to give the proper score to both players. • What is your browser?
Firefox v133.0.3
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• Please copy/paste the text displayed in English instead of your language. If you have a screenshot of this bug (good practice), you can use Imgur.com to upload it and copy/paste the link here.
Table #642822106
Have the game count the dead stones to give the proper score to both players. -
• Is this text available in the translation system? If yes, has it been translated for more than 24 hours?
My opponent and I didn't agree about the marking of dead stones, so we resumed play. My opponent selected "No" to the question, "Do you want to have a stage of designate dead stones after next series of passes?" He was losing, and by selecting "no", he almost won the game, as the game didn't mark the dead stones, and didn't give my the resulting 36 points I should have received.
I only won because I was far enough ahead in points. However, Go is usually so close in score that every point makes a huge difference. This prevents people from playing by the rules. • What is your browser?
Firefox v133.0.3
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• Please explain your suggestion precisely and concisely so that it's as easy as possible to understand what you mean.
Table #642822106
Have the game count the dead stones to give the proper score to both players. • What is your browser?
Firefox v133.0.3
Report history
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In bug ID #14642, this problem is marked as fixed, but it actually doesn't fix anything. Rather, it only allows for cheating to continue happening.
This is still happening. Because of my first experience with this, I managed to save my game in this way:
My opponent & I passed. My opponent refused to mark the dead stones. When the question came, "Do you want to have a stage of designate dead stones after next series of passes?", I naturally answered, "yes". I kept playing and killed enough groups to make the game clearly won, and when we both passed, there was no re-counting of dead stones.
Sure enough, my opponent had selected "no", as I suspected he would.
This clearly promotes cheating. The proposed solutions are as follows, going from best to worst:
1) An algorithm that automatically designates dead stones.
2) NO QUESTION about having another stage for designating stones. Since there was already one stage, but the players COULDN'T AGREE, that means that there AUTOMATICALLY needs to be another round of dead stone designation. This should just happen every time.
3) If the question remains like it does now, it should be that if EITHER or BOTH of the players answers "yes", then there should be a stone counting stage.
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